BHD is banned. Not so much because of the problems he creates, but today alone, 14 reported posts, and guess what? 3/4 of them from HIM of all people, the guy causing all the problems to begin with. Talk about staying out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat! He's the guy causing all the heat to begin with! Hell with it, I ain't standing behind him anymore.

Gilly

:grim:

:2thumbsup:

:dj:

14 reported posts, and guess what? 3/4 of them from HIM of all people, the guy causing all the problems to begin with. Talk about staying out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat! He's the guy causing all the heat to begin with!

I was not aware of this.

You can ignore my PM now. :(

Ahhhh... feels good to not have to use the ignore feature anymore. All I care about is where else can you post about Tankless Hot Water Heaters AND learn about the Benz that I should be spending more time working on?

I'm just happy the OD stays open. Soooo many questions, and this place is the best!

I'll have you know I got more information on the Tankless Heater question HERE than I got on home improvement & plumbing forums.

Rock on!

:) Pete

P.S. And seriously, thanks for keeping OD open. I think you can understand why it really is something that is important to me.

If he was bothering you thats fine because its not beyond "the gang" to do a mass reporting because they don't like someone.

Don't hold your breath, he's already back! :eek:

BHD is banned.

i guess i can return the defibrillator i just bought on ebay! :mad:

If he was bothering you thats fine because its not beyond "the gang" to do a mass reporting because they don't like someone.

I don't know who "the gang" is but if I read Gilly's post right BHD was responsible for 3/4 of the 14 reported post.

I never reported any of his post but 26 post a day of the same drivel is a bit of a waste of bandwidth.

i guess i can return the defibrillator i just bought on ebay!

Maybe donate it to your local EMS? Just a thought. Nice tax write-off.
Gilly

I guess I'm born to be a contrarian.

Bone was a broken record, but usually he had a sense of humor about it.

I wonder if you (Gilly) might consider invoking the temporary ban you'd mentioned that you'd consider. I know that lots of people, especially in the Diesel Forum really value his technical advice. Banning him here deprives them of a great source of guidance.

Perhaps we can all use this banning as a warning not to go whining to Gilly (or Bill or...) whenever we get our feelings hurt. I know it's hard to do (guilty!), but sometimes just shutting-up and going away for a while is probably a better plan than complaining to the guy who moderates this thing and doesn't get a damn thing for it except grief.

Anyway Gilly, I hope you'll consider a temporary ban. I suspect even his most ardent critics don't really want him gone for good, especially if they'll take a moment and consider the great benefit he has provided on other forums.

Botnst

Maybe donate it to your local EMS? Just a thought. Nice tax write-off.
Gilly

Defibs are illegal to sell on ePray.

If you read this thread top to bottom its fairly easy to see who the real perp is.

http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=127183

Oh no, has the yin and yang of this forum been disturbed?

Who will controvert the liberal slant that seems to be all pervasive now?

We simply must have someone to represent the neanderthalic,republican viewpoint so us liberals don't get too uppity.

If you read this thread top to bottom its fairly easy to see who the real perp is.

http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=127183

I hadn't read that, but now I understand.

Typical pattern.

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I guess I'm born to be a contrarian.

Bone was a broken record, but usually he had a sense of humor about it.

I wonder if you (Gilly) might consider invoking the temporary ban you'd mentioned that you'd consider. I know that lots of people, especially in the Diesel Forum really value his technical advice. Banning him here deprives them of a great source of guidance.

Perhaps we can all use this banning as a warning not to go whining to Gilly (or Bill or...) whenever we get our feelings hurt. I know it's hard to do (guilty!), but sometimes just shutting-up and going away for a while is probably a better plan than complaining to the guy who moderates this thing and doesn't get a damn thing for it except grief.

Anyway Gilly, I hope you'll consider a temporary ban. I suspect even his most ardent critics don't really want him gone for good, especially if they'll take a moment and consider the great benefit he has provided on other forums.

Botnst
Amen -- top to bottom.

We simply must have someone to represent the neanderthalic,republican viewpoint so us liberals don't get too uppity.

If I can convince Karl and Ann to pay for the radical cranial reduction surgery, I'll get back to you on that . . .


The "VirginiaDude/Boneheaddoctor" episodes speak for themselves here in OD. The "ignore" feature worked well for me this week, but I anticipate that we have not yet seen the last of our dearly departed rightwingnut.

I hadn't read that, but now I understand.

Typical pattern.

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I assume the thread was deleted by the author to cover some tracks, no problem i have it in the cache.

I don't reinstate people after I ban them. I CAN but I won't. Bill can, it's his store.

Gilly

I don't reinstate people after I ban them. I CAN but I won't. Bill can, it's his store.

Gilly
I know he wants to access some personal information in his PMs. Can that be arranged at least?

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So here's my question: why in gods name do we (American's) still use the giant units to heat our homes and still use tanks to store our water? I just read that the USA is the ONLY country left that still uses tanks to store our hot water.

What's up with that???

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And then someone calling BHD a moron.

Can that be arranged at least?

Ummm, beats me, talk to Bill. That goes way beyond my training, all I'm trained to do is get pissed off and ban people.

Gilly

Well,RIP I suppose.

You could have kept him,as Socrates did an evil wife,to test his patience.

On the other hand I will not miss his knee-jerk responses to anything smacking of liberalism,it was so Goddamn-d predictable.

I will miss his automatic contrariety re:anything savouring of liberalism,even though that label has undergone a rapid volte-face in the last few months.

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So here's my question: why in gods name do we (American's) still use the giant units to heat our homes and still use tanks to store our water? I just read that the USA is the ONLY country left that still uses tanks to store our hot water.

What's up with that???

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And then someone calling BHD a moron.


You gotta be kidding me right?

He's gone. Get over it. It is what happens when a person only cares about himself in a community of people that was designed to help people help eachother. I can't speak as to if he was of any value in the Diesel forums, etc. All I know about him is that I would post a question about Fusion, and he would insult entire countries and groups of people and not comment a single thing about the topic. He had no business being in that forum with the replies he posted.

Then somehow along the way I posted a thread about Tankless Hot Water Heaters and he managed to bugger that thread up too. I mean, how the heck do you turn a question about Tankless Hot Water Heaters into a political thread???

The guy needs to form BHDForums.com and then people can go there and he can be king of his world.

Let's move on past it all and that's that.

No more mention about BHD.

Just my thoughts,

Pete

Defibs are illegal to sell on ePray.
uh...o.k.

Ummm, beats me, talk to Bill. That goes way beyond my training, all I'm trained to do is get pissed off and ban people.

Gilly

LMAO,
this is my keyboard and this is my mouse, this is for bannin and this is for fun. :) :) :)

Its Sgt. Gilly from now on.....our big toe.

If it's the usual pattern he brought it on himself. His average daily post count is over 20. My rough guess is that 15 are of the "nuke france" "Hillary is a bitch" variety.

The sheer volume dulled their offensive nature and just made them ponderous.

I guess I'm still at loss.... I don't see anything THAT inflamatory in the thread few posts back.... enough to offend BHD? It actually had very little to do with that thread. The real trouble occurred in an earlier thread about nuclear fusion energy, which has also been deleted.

I guess I'm still at loss.... I don't see anything THAT inflamatory in the thread few posts back.... enough to offend BHD?

Nah nothing big, but you know how the guy is. If it says "liberal" it gets a smackdown.

So the thread was going along okay, BH posted a technical response to technical question and then somebody said something sarcastic about a liberal response. It was a deliberate baiting for a predictable response. It has happened many, many times before. Not saying the baiting isn't warranted sometimes, but it is a familiar pattern and I think innapropriate for a plainly technical response by BH.

Then there was the usual dogpile from the usual suspects. Apparently they all complained but BH complained as much as all of them combined so he got the hammer.

Oh well, as it says in the Biblical book of Job, Yahweh causes rain to fall on the just and on the unjust.

The moral of the story is: Don't go whining to the Mod and you'll prosper.

C'mmon Gilly.....give 'im a break....I don't find him too obtrusive....a little opinionated maybe, but hey...free speech an' all that....thought that was what the 'Ignore' tab was for.

Still, I might not be seeing the whole picture....perhaps someone will fill me in...eh? :confused:


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If it's the usual pattern he brought it on himself. His average daily post count is over 20. My rough guess is that 15 are of the "nuke france" "Hillary is a bitch" variety.

The sheer volume dulled their offensive nature and just made them ponderous.
i thought it was "nuke hillary" "france is a bitch"...but i could be wronggggg

The man is a human posting machine, as one member put it! 8am to 11pm, 7 days a week, with response times from 10 seconds to 3 minutes! The man can never be wrong, and wont stop his endless drivel until he has the last word! After a while, it really gets old, same thing day-in and day-out!

Yes he has some value over in diesel, but I see he had only one following, or vote, out of 90 from over there looking for support early tonight! :o

The man is a human posting machine, as one member put it! 8am to 11pm, 7 days a week, with response times from 10 seconds to 3 minutes! The man can never be wrong, and wont stop his endless drivel until he has the last word! After a while, it really gets old, same thing day-in and day-out!

Yes he has some value over in diesel, but I see he had only one following, or vote, out of 90 from over there looking for support early tonight! :oOh, there's a speed limit? Where is that posted, I missed it (obviously). If you don't like reading posts, don't read them. That's what being a grown-up is all about, making choices.

I use the Forum as a medium of communication. It is conversational, not encyclopedic. I like talking and I like listening to what otehr folks say. Damned if I think it makes sense to criticize people like me who enjoy the Forum.

Oh, there's a speed limit? Where is that posted, I missed it (obviously). If you don't like reading posts, don't read them. That's what being a grown-up is all about, making choices.

I use the Forum as a medium of communication. It is conversational, not encyclopedic. I like talking and I like listening to what otehr folks say. Damned if I think it makes sense to criticize people like me who enjoy the Forum.
You don't think that is a little bit excessive? It's more like an obsession and not healthy of mind!

I'm one of the folks who complained to the moderators, actually both the Webmaster and Gilly. I previously asked Gilly to give BHD a few days off. I asked the Webmaster to ask BHD to tone down his comments. While there is every reason to be tolerant of other members, BHD took a track of relentless antagonism coupled with indifference. His nuke France comment was one of the most offensive I've read in the many years I've been a member here. I find absolutely nothing of value about even suggesting mass murder. If others find joy or humor in that kind of thing that’s their decision. I do not.

Countless folks asked BHD to back off over months and months and months. He not only refused but became irritated at the suggestion. He had every opportunity and ample encouragement to change the course he was on. Time and again he refused. While the events of today were the conclusion, they were only a continuation of years of the typical behavior of BHD and his previous (and also banned) persona VD.

Thank you to Gilly for taking the step and thank you to the other folks who were willing to ask assistance to help resolve a problem that was clearly never going to resolve itself.

$20 says he’ll be back under another name, providing, of course, he doesn’t already have one or more other names. Any takers?

$20 says he’ll be back under another name, providing, of course, he doesn’t already have one or more other names. Any takers?

You already won that bet. He's been back and banned again!

Ok, this may or may not be the right thing to say, but I really was hoping to ask more about the calcification of the heat exhchangers in the Tankless Systems.

I'm wondering if I should/could post another thread and sort of try to bring the topic back.

But I don't want to step beyond where I should.

As for banning and re-banning, I think with this forum software you can ban an IP. It isn't fool-proof, but it will make it harder for him to reappear.

Pete

But in BHD's case, I could never figure out what his real opinions were. He just splattered non-sense. The only consistant part of his post was, he was trying to be as disturbing as possbile, contradictory as possible, and tried to stir up as much trouble as possible.



He's a regular guy and an excellent mechanic. However, take a look at his profile. He tells you clearly exactly what his passion in life is. Such an individual cannot add any value to OD. He functions as a troll. 99% of the time his posts are simple one line affairs without any facts. Frequently they are off-topic.

You can argue that he as a right to behave in this manner, however, such an individual creates far more harm in OD than he adds to it. In consideration of the fact that OD is a bit tenuous, it is in the best interests of the forum, and all members who post in OD, for the harm to be minimized.

all I'm trained to do is get pissed off and ban people.

Gilly

Hmmm,
Do moderators generally joke with the regular forum folk about bannings? Interesting tactic.....


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No disrespect intended to your position as moderator.

Ahaaaaaa...It's a sign.....666 views up to now........ :)




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...now we'll never know the true extent of Bill and Hillary's culpability and collusion in all matters of chicanery and evil. How will our Republic ever survive in such an information vacuum, especially given the duplicity of an all-pervasive LIBERAL MEDIA conspiracy?

...now we'll never know the true extent of Bill and Hillary's culpability and collusion in all matters of chicanery and evil. How will our Republic ever survive in such an information vacuum, especially given the duplicity of an all-pervasive LIBERAL MEDIA conspiracy?

You do know that this political vessel has taken a pronounced list to port, don't you. ;)

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So here's my question: why in gods name do we (American's) still use the giant units to heat our homes and still use tanks to store our water? I just read that the USA is the ONLY country left that still uses tanks to store our hot water.

What's up with that???

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And then someone calling BHD a moron.

I think your missing a line from BHD's mostly on point post near the end where he says "(approx) Now GottaDiesel's going to critisize my post because he's clueless (approx.)"

Ok, this may or may not be the right thing to say, but I really was hoping to ask more about the calcification of the heat exhchangers in the Tankless Systems.

I'm wondering if I should/could post another thread and sort of try to bring the topic back...
What happend to the original thread?
I assume the thread was deleted by the author to cover some tracks, no problem i have it in the cache.
I Gotthe impression over the last few days that you were over-reacting to his posts... Anyway it's all pissing into the wind at this point.
If anything is clear its that there was one reason for the ban.
...today alone, 14 reported posts, and guess what? 3/4 of them from HIM...
Gilly

...now we'll never know the true extent of Bill and Hillary's culpability and collusion in all matters of chicanery and evil. How will our Republic ever survive in such an information vacuum, especially given the duplicity of an all-pervasive LIBERAL MEDIA conspiracy?
Heres a tip... Mercedesshop is not a republic it's a hegemony of a parts supplier's junta.

...good lord, the NeoCons have infected the parts supply chain too?

I'm one of the folks who complained to the moderators, actually both the Webmaster and Gilly. I previously asked Gilly to give BHD a few days off. I asked the Webmaster to ask BHD to tone down his comments. While there is every reason to be tolerant of other members, BHD took a track of relentless antagonism coupled with indifference. His nuke France comment was one of the most offensive I've read in the many years I've been a member here. I find absolutely nothing of value about even suggesting mass murder. If others find joy or humor in that kind of thing that’s their decision. I do not.

Countless folks asked BHD to back off over months and months and months. He not only refused but became irritated at the suggestion. He had every opportunity and ample encouragement to change the course he was on. Time and again he refused. While the events of today were the conclusion, they were only a continuation of years of the typical behavior of BHD and his previous (and also banned) persona VD.

Thank you to Gilly for taking the step and thank you to the other folks who were willing to ask assistance to help resolve a problem that was clearly never going to resolve itself.

$20 says he’ll be back under another name, providing, of course, he doesn’t already have one or more other names. Any takers?

NOBODY takes BHD seriously. Asking BHD to "tone down" his comments is like telling people to "keep it down" at a black power rally. He's a fanatic. Being a little whiner that wants to shut up someone you find offensive is rather lame IMO. Granted BHD has no right to spam the admins with his persona the way it is so I have no problem (not that it matters just an opinion) with a temp ban for that. Go watch "Crash" it's a great film.

One gone off my ignore list.

One to go.

Hmmm,
Do moderators generally joke with the regular forum folk about bannings? Interesting tactic.....



Who's joking?

Gilly

...now we'll never know the true extent of Bill and Hillary's culpability and collusion in all matters of chicanery and evil. How will our Republic ever survive in such an information vacuum, especially given the duplicity of an all-pervasive LIBERAL MEDIA conspiracy?

Have the Clintons gotten to Gilly?


I'm no saint, but BHD was inflammitory for the sake of inflammation.

I bet that his new name will be ArchieBunker666

As a rule I have not joined the debating part of this forum and stayed away from controversial subjects as much as possible. If anything I take a satirical position on non-technical subjects. I find the recent banning of BHD to be absurd.
Stopping at a stop sign is mandatory everywhere in America (or the world), as far as I know, and you get a ticket most places, not only if you don't stop, but if you don't stop completely. But the legal aspect is really secondary. You stop at a stop sign, even if nobody else is around, because it's a good idea, a good habit to have. You stop, and look to see if anyone else is coming, and then you start again. There are rules concerning who goes first if more than one person reaches an intersection at the same time, a protocol that makes you stop and observe before just barreling out and causing an accident or an injury. There's no hierarchy or status -- ideally, anyway; as in other aspects of life, some people act selfishly. When you are caught you get a ticket, you can pay the ticket and go on or plead not guilty and face the judge. I don’t know anywhere in the US that the judge is also the person who gave you the ticket. I feel the moderation at this forum has started to trend this way. This is not Mercedes High School Forum. Everyone here is an adult and has the right to make decisions and especially the right to add someone to their “ignore list”. I wish my local paper had that option, as there are some staff writers that would definitely be on that list. I can’t do that so I DON’T READ THEIR COLUMNS. I don’t write the editor and complain, or cancel my subscription. I realize the world is complex and made up of thousands of personalities and opinions. There were a couple of threads here that got under my skin “The Pope” and “Mississippi Burning” – I just stayed away from them, didn’t run to the teacher and complain – they are someone else’s opinions, satire, or belief. I have said this before, but it is worth repeating it. For anyone reading this forum, if you find what is said here hard to believe, pessimistic, biased...Whatever the reason, you do not have to believe in what is said here. Instead, take it as things that deserve to be researched.

Offended by a particular member? Use the ignore feature. I believe there is a good number of members who do not know this exists – look at how many people don’t even realize the shop forum sells parts.

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I wish my local paper had that option, as there are some staff writers that would definitely be on that list. I can’t do that so I DON’T READ THEIR COLUMNS. I don’t write the editor and complain, or cancel my subscription.

Using your analogy:

Say you are the editor and one of your reporters comes in and complains 13 times that a subscriber has verbally abused them and tried to insult them?

This is on top of complaints that you have received, on various occasions from the subscribers regarding the behavior of the reporter.

Now, you have a job to do, and your primary job does not involve dealing with the petty BS between the subscribers and the reporter. In fact, you don't even get paid to deal with the subscribers or the reporters.

You also know that the constant bickering between the subscribers and the reporter is causing a drop in readers and your advertising revenue will go down because of it.

What would you do? Fire all the subscribers??? :confused:

It's easy to judge the actions of the moderator when you haven't been there and done that.

Amen John. Some people act as if it is a major effort to use the ignore function. Others think of the ignore function as some type of vendetta list (one down one to go). Everyone should take 5 and come back to the table with a clear mind.

Using your analogy:
BTW, it's your analogy. .

To specificaly address your thought and without getting into the demographics of the Clarion Ledger - there is not a single day that someone is not attacking this reporter. It's my conclusion that people love to hate this reporter. It may actually produce readership. Maybe something to be learned from that :D

To specificaly address your thought and without getting into the demographics of the Clarion Ledger - there is not a single day that someone is not attacking this reporter. It's my conclusion that people love to hate this reporter. It may actually produce readership. Maybe something to be learned from that :D

No disagreement there. But, it was not increasing readership, that I can tell you with some certainty. The general population of readers were sick and tired of the reporter, IMHO.

In theory, any reporter can say whatever they want, whenever they want. And in theory, the subscribers should simply ignore the reporter, if they don't like what is written.

But, similar to life, a newspaper is more complicated than this and a reporter that causes the editor a ton of grief is not going to be around to collect a pension. ;)

Brian, appreciate your views. However, a comment you made actually supports my thoughts The general population of readers were sick and tired of the reporter.
There is no fact to that - should everyone take that as gospel? If that were true what you are saying is out of the 15, 896 members of this forum that 8,107 members did not like BHD. You should change that to read
"it's my opinion that the general poplulation of readers were sick and tired of the reporter.
I am going to step off the podium - and return us to our regular broadcast :cool:

There is no fact to that - should everyone take that as gospel? If that were true what you are saying is out of the 15, 896 members of this forum that 8,107 members did not like BHD. You should change that to read
"it's my opinion that the general poplulation of readers were sick and tired of the reporter.[/I]


Agreed. ;)

Quiet in here, ain't it ? :rolleyes:




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lisen you peeple its over :D

BHD's departure is a net loss, IMHO, but I defer to the mediators' discretion.

I say let him back on under the one condition he change his avatar to something like MedMech's.

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I leave town for 2 days and all hell breaks loose! Once again the Open Discussion Forum is the root of all evil.

I have reinstated BHD and asked him to stay away from OD until I can sort this all out. BHD has made valuable contributions in the technical forums that justify his being a member. Especially since the sharing of technical information is the focus of MercedesShop.

I leave town for 2 days and all hell breaks loose! Once again the Open Discussion Forum is the root of all evil.

I have reinstated BHD and asked him to stay away from OD until I can sort this all out. BHD has made valuable contributions in the technical forums that justify his being a member. Especially since the sharing of technical information is the focus of MercedesShop.

Thanks Bill. You da man!

.............................I have reinstated BHD and asked him to stay away from OD until I can sort this all out.....................

Now then...that wasn't so hard, now was it ?
I kinda missed the ol' fart .

Gotta admit.....let's you know how sensitive some people can be... :rolleyes:

No names...no pack drill.

Anyweather....back to the plot. :)


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If you go back over there I will whip you myself.

Oh,, we are over there... then BHD should not even see this.. will put it on the thread in Diesel....

If you go back over there I will whip you myself.

You are in OD, Greg. ;)

Don't buy no stinkin' instant water heaters....ask me why.



Ok, Why?

........... All I care about is where else can you post about Tankless Hot Water Heaters
Rock on!

:) Pete

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Just to take issue ...How can you have a tankless hot water heater.?
Redundant oxymoron, ain't it ? :confused:




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No, I don't think that falls into that category...
you could call it a water heating faucet I guess...

Ok, Why?


'cose they make the electric meter spin like a gyro ! Procession in the meter is tearing it off the wall... :)

And they shrink my TV screen :D




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Just to take issue ...How can you have a tankless hot water heater.?
Redundant oxymoron, ain't it ? :confused:
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I have a tankless hot water heater inside my furnace. It is a set of wound copper tubing that heats the water as the water passes through the inside of the boiler.

This would be contrasted to a typical water heater with a storage tank.

The newer tankless water heaters that were referred to in the tread heat the water at the point of use.

I guess I'm born to be a contrarian.

Bone was a broken record, but usually he had a sense of humor about it.

I wonder if you (Gilly) might consider invoking the temporary ban you'd mentioned that you'd consider. I know that lots of people, especially in the Diesel Forum really value his technical advice. Banning him here deprives them of a great source of guidance.I had mixed feelings about him myself. It got to the point that I had to cover his avatar with my hand because I didn't want to ban all avatars, I wanted to read what he had to say, and the damned fist pounding guy was just too annoying.

I did appreciate his technical knowledge also. If we could perhaps administer a group slapping of his hands and instruct him on various simple etiquettes like not quoting every post he was directly following, and maybe slimming down his "stable" listing, he could be more bearable. But, far be it from me to instruct you, Gilly, on how to run this forum.

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The newer tankless water heaters that were referred to in the tread heat the water at the point of use.

Which is what mine does.......... :mad:

Proper name would be....Instant water heater..no ?

Golly...used to have an ASCOT natural gas water heater back in the 50's...utill dad blew the bathroom door off it's hinges. :D


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This thread has 20.289473 to 1 ratio. :cool:






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$20 says he’ll be back under another name, providing, of course, he doesn’t already have one or more other names. Any takers?I think I'd lose that bet. :D

At least if he does come back, he won't recycle the broken glass in the eyes face/fax pounding avatar and he'll have to tone his routine way down. Otherwise he'd stand out like 10 sore thumbs.

A mind IS a terrible thing to waste.

I think I'd lose that bet. :D

At least if he does come back, he won't recycle the broken glass in the eyes face/fax pounding avatar and he'll have to tone his routine way down. Otherwise he'd stand out like 10 sore thumbs.

A mind IS a terrible thing to waste.Geez, and I was gonna pick from the pile, salvage parts off his avatar, "tinkerer extraordinare" like from the junk yard before their scrapped....sheeesh

Anyone find it ironic that the nuclear fusion thread went.... "critical" :rolleyes:

Anyone want to repost the premise of the article? I had some questions about it. The science of it intrigued me. :)

Anyone find it ironic that the nuclear fusion thread went.... "critical" :rolleyes:

Anyone want to repost the premise of the article? I had some questions about it. The science of it intrigued me. :)

I think it went something like this.

Post 1 A coallition of countries is investing 8 billion to open a nuclear fusion facility in france.

Post 2 Nuke France

Post 3 Something smart about physics

Post 4 the frogs should be nuked

I lost interest after that.

I think it went something like this.

Post 1 A coallition of countries is investing 8 billion to open a nuclear fusion facility in france.

Post 2 Nuke France

Post 3 Something smart about physics

Post 4 the frogs should be nuked

I lost interest after that.

I rapidly lost interest in everything that didn't pertain to Post #1. Oh well...fusion will have to wait for another day. :rolleyes:

Ok, I'm going to repost the article about Fusion and the Question about Tankless Hot Water Heaters... if I am doing something wrong by doing that, please don't beat me up too bad. Just seems to be some interest in it still.

:) Pete

Ok, I'm going to repost the article about Fusion and the Question about Tankless Hot Water Heaters... if I am doing something wrong by doing that, please don't beat me up too bad. Just seems to be some interest in it still.

:) PeteYou'll be safe, now that there is a anti-spam/troll filter installed! :bulb:

It seems likely that our most knowledgeable member on the subject may come up AWOL this tme.....

Just to take issue ...How can you have a tankless hot water heater.?
Redundant oxymoron, ain't it ? :confused:




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It's a difficult, 'tankless' job. But somebody has to do it.

Bot, tanks alot.

It got to the point that I had to cover his avatar with my hand

You know you CAN reset your User CP so avatars won't be shown, right? I haven't seen an avatar around this place since the Clinton administration, not even my own tasteful 3 pointed star! I have to go into my User CP to see it from time to time!
Gilly

Bot, tanks alot.



You know you CAN reset your User CP so avatars won't be shown, right? I haven't seen an avatar around this place since the Clinton administration, not even my own tasteful 3 pointed star! I have to go into my User CP to see it from time to time!
GillySince last winter, for some unknown reason I no longer receive animated smilies, or animated avatars, not even Medmec's latest spread! Anybody have any ideas as to why? The only change I made this past winter was to switch to a new IPS. :confused:

How many members have set the number of posts to view on a page from the default to the max of 40 and "show all threads"? ;)

I had mixed feelings about him myself. It got to the point that I had to cover his avatar with my hand because I didn't want to ban all avatars, I wanted to read what he had to say, and the damned fist pounding guy was just too annoying.
You might have options available to you, depending on how willing or unwilling you are to change something on your computer to avoid being annoyed.

1) Use The Proximitron (http://www.proxomitron.info). It's a bit of software that rewrites web pages on the fly before your browser displays them. It's sort of long in the tooth, but I still use it (started with Internet Explorer, still use it with Firefox). If I ever temporarily bypass it (which takes all of two mouse clicks), I'm reminded of just how much annoying crap it saves me from seeing. One of the options it offers is to freeze GIF animation. Animated avatars become static avatars. Want the animations back, even just for a bit? That feature itself can be switched on or off selectively with just two mouse clicks.

2) If that's not surgical enough for you, then consider running Firefox, and get the Adblock extension. I think that would allow you to selectively block an individual avatar. I haven't tried this extensively because when I'm logged in, I don't bother displaying sigs or avatars - just eats up too much real estate on the screen.

If you read this thread top to bottom its fairly easy to see who the real perp is.

http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=127183

Oh hell, the thread was deleted! :furious2: :furious3:

Oh hell, the thread was deleted! :furious2: :furious3:No loss. If you have read almost 1/2 the threads in the past several months, you know the story.

It started technical. Bone answered technical. Somebody made a witty comment about the liberals were responsible--a cute dig at the BH usual response to anything. BH responded. It amplified.

Behind the scenes the various participants complained to the Mod. BH complained about others in equal measure to the sum total number of complaints about him.

Gilly got tired of BH's doodoo and shut him up.

BH's usual opponents in everything political, some of whom are just as butt-ignorant as BH, danced nekkid on his grave in celebration. Bill ruined everything for the celebrants by resurrecting BH with the warning to stay out of OD.

And that's the latest from OD, where all the Mods are good looking and all the posters are above average.

Bot

I guess I don't have to wait for the movie version now . . .

There is a wonderful little piece of Eastern philosophy that would serve BH extremely well at times: (to paraphrase) there are many instances in life in which the best course of action is inaction.

I have the book version but there's a few chapters missing from it.

I leave town for 2 days and all hell breaks loose! Once again the Open Discussion Forum is the root of all evil.

I have reinstated BHD and asked him to stay away from OD until I can sort this all out. BHD has made valuable contributions in the technical forums that justify his being a member. Especially since the sharing of technical information is the focus of MercedesShop.I hope I don't say this too often, but PLEASE make him change his avatar to something way less annoying -- it's the perfect metaphor for his style of haranguing: relentless.

All in all, I'm glad to see him back, he is a sharp techician.

**EDIT** Whoops, I hadn't read all the posts yet. This fellow:
1) Use The Proximitron (http://www.proxomitron.info). It's a bit of software that rewrites web pages on the fly before your browser displays them. It's sort of long in the tooth, but I still use it (started with Internet Explorer, still use it with Firefox). If I ever temporarily bypass it (which takes all of two mouse clicks), I'm reminded of just how much annoying crap it saves me from seeing. One of the options it offers is to freeze GIF animation. Animated avatars become static avatars. Want the animations back, even just for a bit? That feature itself can be switched on or off selectively with just two mouse clicks.had some good advice for me which I'll try. I actually thought BHD's avatar was hilarious the first 10 times I saw it, but it wore off at the 469th time. :sun_smile

Now then...that wasn't so hard, now was it ?
I kinda missed the ol' fart .

Gotta admit.....let's you know how sensitive some people can be... :rolleyes:

No names...no pack drill.

Anyweather....back to the plot. :)


Don't buy no stinkin' instant water heaters....ask me why.
I'm glad he's back but I think Gilly did exactly the right thing. For Bonehead to whine that much about other people was way over the top. He needed a hard slap on the wrist and he got it. With any luck :rolleyes: , he'll be a better man for it.

Bot, tanks alot.



You know you CAN reset your User CP so avatars won't be shown, right? I haven't seen an avatar around this place since the Clinton administration, not even my own tasteful 3 pointed star! I have to go into my User CP to see it from time to time!
GillyYeah, thanks, I did know that... actually it was BHD that told me about it when I bitched about his li'l obnoxious guy. I did it for awhile, but I like seeing most of the avatars, 'specially now that MedMech upgraded his :D

As a rule I have not joined the debating part of this forum and stayed away from controversial subjects as much as possible. If anything I take a satirical position on non-technical subjects. I find the recent banning of BHD to be absurd.
Stopping at a stop sign is mandatory everywhere in America (or the world), as far as I know, and you get a ticket most places, not only if you don't stop, but if you don't stop completely. But the legal aspect is really secondary. You stop at a stop sign, even if nobody else is around, because it's a good idea, a good habit to have. You stop, and look to see if anyone else is coming, and then you start again. There are rules concerning who goes first if more than one person reaches an intersection at the same time, a protocol that makes you stop and observe before just barreling out and causing an accident or an injury. There's no hierarchy or status -- ideally, anyway; as in other aspects of life, some people act selfishly. When you are caught you get a ticket, you can pay the ticket and go on or plead not guilty and face the judge. I don’t know anywhere in the US that the judge is also the person who gave you the ticket. I feel the moderation at this forum has started to trend this way. This is not Mercedes High School Forum. Everyone here is an adult and has the right to make decisions and especially the right to add someone to their “ignore list”. I wish my local paper had that option, as there are some staff writers that would definitely be on that list. I can’t do that so I DON’T READ THEIR COLUMNS. I don’t write the editor and complain, or cancel my subscription. I realize the world is complex and made up of thousands of personalities and opinions. There were a couple of threads here that got under my skin “The Pope” and “Mississippi Burning” – I just stayed away from them, didn’t run to the teacher and complain – they are someone else’s opinions, satire, or belief. I have said this before, but it is worth repeating it. For anyone reading this forum, if you find what is said here hard to believe, pessimistic, biased...Whatever the reason, you do not have to believe in what is said here. Instead, take it as things that deserve to be researched.

Offended by a particular member? Use the ignore feature. I believe there is a good number of members who do not know this exists – look at how many people don’t even realize the shop forum sells parts.

.02
John K

John, as usual, your post is right on target.

I cannot add anything else, other than to paraphrase a former U.S. Supreme Court Justice who wrote that the answer to "offensive" speech is more speech--not censorship.

When did the U,S, become a country of "hyper-sensitive" folks who are willing to run to the principal, or to the courts, or to the moderators every time
their feelings are hurt.

Oh how I long for the days of public dueling! :sword2:

I agree, his point was well made, but if you look at what happened here, it was BHD who was running to the principle -- crying foul, as it were, way too often, when the principle felt he, BHD, was the primary fouler!

The dude needed a wing clipping and he got it.

My guess is the net change will be zero.

...and defending BHD by saying "someone else started it!", is like saying his posts were never redundant.

I haven't been on OD for a couple of months. Too busy.

When KV was on, I'd just skip over his posts.

I love the movie Office Space and don't mind the avatar. There is a guy on another forum with an avatar of Will Ferrel (sp?) banging a drumstick on a cowbell in the "More Cowbell" Saturday Night Live Skit. A whole bunch of members complained about that one too. It's the action that annoys some people I guess.

Know what this thread needs?






















...More Cowbell!

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4158/cowbell0am.gif

Sorry...I just had to.

My guess is the net change will be zero.

...and defending BHD by saying "someone else started it!", is like saying his posts were never redundant.

But they did! and how come they get away with calling him a moron?

Too me the heathens won.....this time. I know Gilly can't read every thread that someone complains about and people wrote him because they didn't like BHD's style but come on, be a big boy and use the ignore feature. It works for me when I get tired of someone and BHD was on ignore for the most part.

Oh how I long for the days of public dueling! :sword2:

I loved sward dueling and was nationally ranked. In a dual there are rules of engagement, an end, and a code of honor. When you have a neighbor that harasses and relentlessly verbally abuses everyone in the neighborhood you can at least turn to the police to ask them to intercede. If the neighbor continues to harass you can probably get a judge to issue a restraining order.

I loved sward dueling and was nationally ranked. In a dual there are rules of engagement, an end, and a code of honor. When you have a neighbor that harasses and relentlessly verbally abuses everyone in the neighborhood you can at least turn to the police to ask them to intercede. If the neighbor continues to harass you can probably get a judge to issue a restraining order.


I wish I had an ignore button for people in real life. :bulb:

And it wasn't Bonehead that instigated the verbal abuse, the same 3 members always start with insulting someone and they get way with it. How about a search and show us where Bonehead started the personal attacks?

....passive aggressive is still aggressive.....

....passive aggressive is still aggressive.....
Tolerance my friend -- it's a wonderful thing. The key (for me) to dealing with BHD is simply not to take him so seriously. Trust me, even he doesn't believe the content of many of his posts, it's all for effect. In a perfect world, BHD wouldn't troll the threads he doesn't like and post about half as often as he does, but it's not a perfect world, and we do have a perfect "Ignore" feature if needed. As far as one on one goes, BHD has always shown me the same respect I've shown him, despite the fact the we rarely agree.

For those members here who see politics from the same side of the fence that bhd stands behind, it's easy for them to condemn the critics of bhd standing on the other side!

Some here have suggested that bhd's critics baited him and then whimpered to Gilly! I don't see that as the case. No matter what the subject matter was in any given thread, political, or non-political, bhd could always find a fault and then blame the fault on the DNC, or Hillary! Call him a fault sniffer, always sniffing around and smelling it out for the express purpose of blame. For those who pee on the same side of the fence as bhd, it's easy to fault the critics of bhd!

Although it did tend to ruin the rhythm of a good thread.

That is the question..

Should you ban someone, who does not personally attack other members in any way, unless deliberately provoked, when they post one line responses that contribute nothing and ruin the rhythm of a good thread? :confused:

I'd like to judge myself.

Bring back the thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So I'm guessing by this outpouring of support we should also be unbanning KV, Zeitgeist, Kerry Edwards, and all the liberals that were banned right?

BTW, gotta love the timing, O'Conner retires when BHD is banned from talking politics. He's gotta be about ready to explode. That's rich.

When was Kerry Edwards banned? :confused:

People took those DNC, Hilliary, Bill, etc. comments seriously? C'mon, it was a put on -- just trying to annoy. Nothing more, nothing less. I thought it was funny in a purely abusrd way. Although it did tend to ruin the rhythm of a good thread.
If you have read my responses to bhd, you could clearly see that I never took his drivel seriously, but returned his equal with responses goofing on him, and through those exchanges never were they serious, either way, or taken to any heights! I joked about his post counts, and added a few sound bits, as return fire, but instead peed a few others off who stand on the other side of the fence, those more sensitive than bhd. You cant just be mild mannered with a response to bhd, you have to be equally aggressive, or it doesn't stick, and ya know, nothing did stick, to his teflon! :cool:

When was Kerry Edwards banned? :confused:

I thought he went in the purge. Actually I haven't seen him post here or there in a long time. Anyone heard from him?

The bottom line is that this is a Mercedes enthusiast's site, and BHD has contributed mightily toward that end. The fact that he has a alternate personality who trolls OD seems of secondary importance, since OD itself is of secondary importance.

I thought he went in the purge. Actually I haven't seen him post here or there in a long time. Anyone heard from him?
Nah -- Kerry's around -- he just hasn't posted in a while. I sometimes get the impression that, unlike the rest of us, Kerry has an actual life that he enjoys from time to time. :D

You're right, schools out, he's probably on a river somewhere. :sun_smile

So I'm guessing by this outpouring of support we should also be unbanning KV, Zeitgeist, Kerry Edwards, and all the liberals that were banned right?

BTW, gotta love the timing, O'Conner retires when BHD is banned from talking politics. He's gotta be about ready to explode. That's rich.
Boy, did I miss a lot!

To hell with VirginiaDude, bring back Virginia'sDude !!

The bottom line is that this is a Mercedes enthusiast's site, and BHD has contributed mightily toward that end. The fact that he has a alternate personality who trolls OD seems of secondary importance, since OD itself is of secondary importance.

Not sure that OD may be of secondary importance, since it boasts the highest # of active users present at any given time as well as posts...

I loved sward dueling and was nationally ranked. In a dual there are rules of engagement, an end, and a code of honor. When you have a neighbor that harasses and relentlessly verbally abuses everyone in the neighborhood you can at least turn to the police to ask them to intercede. If the neighbor continues to harass you can probably get a judge to issue a restraining order.


Not me. I live in the Wild West (also sometimes known as the Left Coast). If my neighbor bothers me, I just go and shoot his dog. If he does not have a dog, I give him a dog, wait until he falls in love with the dog, then shoot the dog.

But seriously, I think that there is a fundamental difference between hurt "feelings" as when someone says something offensive. In that case, the response is either to ignore the insensitive bore (hence the ignore button) or (my favorite approach) verbally go after the offender. But of course, I am a lawyer and so I naturally love verbal jousting.

If a neighbor is breaking the law (trespassing against my property, or being a nuisance to the point where I cannot enjoy the use of my own property) then I will not take the law into my own hands> Getting a restraining order, or suing the neighbor, may be appropriate (and wise).

Whether we go and seek the intervention of a higher authority (and God knows that federal judges believe that they are even higher than the Creator Himself) depends on the underlying action. Not every "wrong" requires thrid party intervention.

But hey, what do I know anyway?

And, by the way, just in case you guys decide to get PETA or the ASPCA after me, I do LOVE dogs (and cats, and rabbits and most other animals) and I would not hurt one, not even a neighbor's dog! :)

Kerry Edwards was banned?

No, but he should've been banned. Honesty and decency should not be tolerated on this board--he's been a serial abuser.

I love the movie Office Space and don't mind the avatar. There is a guy on another forum with an avatar of Will Ferrel (sp?) banging a drumstick on a cowbell in the "More Cowbell" Saturday Night Live Skit. A whole bunch of members complained about that one too. It's the action that annoys some people I guess.BHD's got a new avatar. Nice change of pace. You can see it over at the Diesel section, on the "Some old dude tried to attack me!" or something like that thread, or just click:

http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=919787#post919787

It does seem a bit petty for me to whine about his avatar. I banned all avatars for awhile, but things looked too boring, so I brought 'em back.

When it would get late, and my eyes were getting tired, his pouning dude was hard on my eyes. Toooo relentless, like someone yakking in your ear who won't shut up.

Speaking of threating avatars, Tracy's has got to go. I swear that plantlife in Bambi's mouth looks like some greenery that recently disappeared from my garden. I feel threatened, violated, my territory invaded.

So you like the new "do"? :P

I loved sward dueling and was nationally ranked. In a dual there are rules of engagement, an end, and a code of honor. When you have a neighbor that harasses and relentlessly verbally abuses everyone in the neighborhood you can at least turn to the police to ask them to intercede. If the neighbor continues to harass you can probably get a judge to issue a restraining order.

You know, I just saw Bonehead's new avatar and his trade signature. I am beginning to see your point Tracy. Hand me that sword, there is something I want to do with it...

A 3 day camping trip...and I come back to this.

My contribution?

There is a lot of sometimes grumpy, quick whitted people who can get up in your grill. This forum has quite a few of them too and everyone is bound to step on someones toes at some point. When I first joined the forum I thought BHD was pretty grouchy but then I got the feel of the forum and put things in PERSPECTIVE...

You don't have to put information on a silver platter for it to come across effectively.

I hate to throw up my comments amongst this mess of stuff but in all honesty, if you banned BHD for good, you would have a pretty long list to go along with him. I don't generally frequent the OD because I think the flying attempts at trying to convince others of your own opinions, etc. that happens over there is a waste of my time. Sure there is a lot of great heated discussions over there but how about we LEAVE it over there. BHD contributes a lot on the diesel discussion and I am hoping his posts didn't get deleted.

All else fails...learn to leave it be...

Rant Over...

Not me. I live in the Wild West (also sometimes known as the Left Coast). If my neighbor bothers me, I just go and shoot his dog. If he does not have a dog, I give him a dog, wait until he falls in love with the dog, then shoot the dog.

Okay it was a sweet fantasy. Here in the ‘burbs of liberal Washington my neighbor tosses their trash on my yard and when I complained they assaulted me and then repeatedly threatened to murder me. Fortunately we have a Home Depot with it’s own Police precinct in their parking lot, a mere 2 blocks away – just think everything for the home owner on one place! And they deliver (the police that is) Gotta LOVE life the 21st century! :pukeface:

So after due and civil attempts at a remidy I'll turn to folks who may provide assistance once verbal jousting shows itself as pointless.

If a neighbor is breaking the law (trespassing against my property, or being a nuisance to the point where I cannot enjoy the use of my own property) then I will not take the law into my own hands> Getting a restraining order, or suing the neighbor, may be appropriate (and wise).

Whether we go and seek the intervention of a higher authority (and God knows that federal judges believe that they are even higher than the Creator Himself) depends on the underlying action. Not every "wrong" requires thrid party intervention.

But hey, what do I know anyway?

Quite a lot, from what i've read.

Okay it was a sweet fantasy. Here in the ‘burbs of liberal Washington my neighbor tosses their trash on my yard and when I complained they assaulted me and then repeatedly threatened to murder me. Fortunately we have a Home Depot with it’s own Police precinct in their parking lot, a mere 2 blocks away – just think everything for the home owner on one place! And they deliver (the police that is) Gotta LOVE life the 21st century! :pukeface:




wow dude I remember you writing about them a long time ago.

Did I? It was only a couple of months ago. Sorry. It was a moment where I clearly saw the benefits of seeking assistance from the moderators… As I write this the same neighbor is playing the same song they listen to about 20 times a day. Sound kind of familiar?

Did I? It was only a couple of months ago. Sorry. It was a moment where I clearly saw the benefits of seeking assistance from the moderators… As I write this the same neighbor is playing the same song they listen to about 20 times a day. Sound kind of familiar?

Yea, I have a good neighbor situation right now but i'm sure that'll change by the end of the summer.

So the guy assaulted you? What the hell? Did you kick his ass? If not why?

Even the neighbors that don't like me do their waves and send me a x-mas card I'm sorta the defacto peace keeper and protector of the sub, it has it's perks ;)

Here in the ‘burbs of liberal Washington my neighbor tosses their trash on my yard and when I complained they assaulted me and then repeatedly threatened to murder me. I lived in Seattle for 20 years and drove cab part time for about 12 of those, and I'm always a bit bemused when I hear people assume that Seattle is a land of liberals and peaceniks.

I mean, no doubt, there is a fair share of that crowd there but Oh Mah Ghod, if you have a few hours, I'll drive you around and show you some really hard parts of town where, in Paul Simon's words, they'll roll you for a nickel and stick you for the extra dime. And that's to say nothing of the type of nominally sane and civilized neighbor you refer to here. God knows there's plenty of that crowd -- stereo blasting, early morning loud partying, unthinking, somnambulists.*



*(sleep walkers) One of my favorite expletives, people scratch their heads on that one some times. :sun_smile

So the guy assaulted you? What the hell? Did you kick his ass? If not why?

Well, first the person that assaulted me and one of 2 that made murder threats was a teenager, and while it’d be all macho to tell a tale of handing out a pounding, the truth is I restrained the guy until he calmed down, and then let him go and called the cops. The cops showed up in a little less than 2 minutes. They were ready and willing to drag him off to jail, and were pissed at the whole family because of the string of lies the family fed to the cops, but I declined to press charges. The other guy who made a murder threat, a 20 something year old, retreated to the background quickly. With the cops standing next to me and just after his dad hurriedly arrived home from work, I told his dad that were anything even vaguely like this to happen again, I'd put his son in the hospital, then when the docs were done he’d go from the hospital to jail, then while he was in jail my lawyer would make sure he never set foot in his house again, and his dad would shell out untold thousands of dollars in legal and medical related fees for this privilege.

…..and all of this because they didn’t want to hear about their leaving trash all over my yard….. :rolleyes:

Their family is what appears to be a sadly typical American family of our era: over worked dad, oblivious stay-at-home mom and kids who don’t go to school, and don’t GAS about anything. The 20 something year old guy moved in about 6 months ago and seldom leaves the house. And, I'm sure this will come as a big surprise to everyone, the guy that assaulted me has previous demonstrations of anger management issues. Between the group I think the dad is the only one who finished high school. Their grandma (dad’s mom) lives on the middle floor (and provided the $$ for the house down payment, at least). The mom’s brother was murdered about 8 months ago. They don’t appear to be bad or evil intending people, just uncaring. Not that that’s unique or even unusual.

I lived in Seattle for 20 years and drove cab part time for about 12 of those, and I'm always a bit bemused when I hear people assume that Seattle is a land of liberals and peaceniks.

I mean, no doubt, there is a fair share of that crowd there but Oh Mah Ghod, if you have a few hours, I'll drive you around and show you some really hard parts of town where, in Paul Simon's words, they'll roll you for a nickel and stick you for the extra dime. And that's to say nothing of the type of nominally sane and civilized neighbor you refer to here. God knows there's plenty of that crowd -- stereo blasting, early morning loud partying, unthinking, somnambulists.*

*(sleep walkers) One of my favorite expletives, people scratch their heads on that one some times. :sun_smile


I like the expression, and know many of those areas. More of a path through life. I've seen cars broken into to steal a couple of dollars worth of change. When I was between 10 and 15 years old, I lived in Renton. The dad of a buddy of mine was a cab driver, in the years I knew the kid the dad was hospitalized 2x because of beatings. Very rough job. They had a nice a house on Lake Washington.

The Seattle area has a regional population of > than a million. The area is overwhelmingly democrat, and as Z will tell you, has the most screwed up and unfair tax system in the country. Basically if you spend above the subsistence level, you get taxed aggressively. Clearly the system heavily subsides the poor and bigger industries, and so IMO there are a lot of liberals, such as my neighbors, pushing the tax agenda. Of itself, that doesn’t make them (liberals or my neighbors) any more peace loving than is the president.

Not unrelated to that, for the first time in my 27 years in this town, the gang of thieves called the Seattle City Council backed down on pushing a ****50 year**** tax plan. They want to build a monorail. The building cost is about 2 b, but the financing is said take the total cost to 11 b. Guess even the demos who love to recklessly spend other folks money have their limits, or more likely, at least desire to keep their cushy gov jobs. This tax would, if successful, require someone with a 4 year old car valued at about $20K (itself a made up value courtesy of the state), to shell out about $600+ per year for license tabs. Much more if the car was newer; not much less if older.

That is some shocking news. I have fond memories of Seattle, but that was in the 80s before it got "discovered" and over-run.

People assume I'm a liberal due to some of my positions but I have no fondness for lazy bureaucrats and out of control taxes. The whole monorail thing is a puzzle. The existing line is supposedly one of the few public transit systems in the country that turns a profit but that has a lot to do with it's location and simplicity. One starting point/one stopping point -- reverse, repeat...

Speaking of taxes, the Seattle Center has to be one of the most successful former World's Fair sites in the country. Oh mah Ghod -- the Folklife festival and Bumbershoot. Some great times at those. There is nothing remotley close to that in the Bay Area.

Holy shYte batman, I'd like to move back in some ways but I hear that traffic is a nightmare now, and I've experienced a bit of it on trips back. What to do....

gilly, you need get life. have no bizness moderating forom. you angy man. go bak work on car, leave computer alone.

one thing to ban somebody. another thin to brag about with post, start another flaame war. you fool. hand over mod sombody else. barrass owner site.

You need earn engish. That is funny as hell. :D

ps learn english but keep this language. you could be a comedian